Posts by Saltheart Foamfollower

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...The WBT$ Theft of Kingdom Hall Bank Accounts and JW Elders...

by OUTLAW in

.. the new wbt$ donation arrangement/ jw kingdom hall bank account theft... is a very hot topic right now... the wbt$ is literally going to clean out kingdom hall bank accounts,filled with donations from jws... that theft is going to happen world wide..the wbt$ is going to steal from 7 million plus jw`s... .. we have jw elders here on jwn,that know whats going on... they "serve" in kingdom halls,they are "supposed" to be looking after the welfare of the average jw... they know there is a 4 page letter,only one page will be read to the congregation..the rest will be kept secret... they know the wbt$ is about to steal jw donations..on a world wide scale!!!...

.. i would like to know what you active jw elders are going to do about this??!!...

are you going to let "your" congregation know about the other 3 secret pages?...

Saltheart Foamfollower

As a serving elder and occasional poster here, I have been watching with growing horror at what is being done. Here in the UK, we haven't had any letters since the original one read out to the congregation and in particular nothing saying we can only retain a certain amount. I suspect that the charity laws here are proving to be a bit of an obstacle (never thought I'd like red tape) but I'm sure the branch are working on it - maybe make it a "suggestion" then enforce it during the co's visit, maybe change the congregations constitutions (could be messy) or maybe water down the instruction in some way. For the record, all my cong has done is to modestly increase its regular donation. No slips handed out. No mention of sending a one off donation.

If (or when) the new arrangement comes in here, I'll put my arguements against it, but ultimately I agree 100% with Outlaw - I'll resign.

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Midweek Meetings no longer Necessary

by Tech49 in

i am sure we have all seen the recent letter to the boe concerning the change that will take place to the meeting arrangement during the week of the co visit.

to recap the basics: the meeting that usually contains the cong bible study (book study) and a co talk will be discontinued, publishers are encouraged to use their family worship night that week to cover book study material.. so here is a point that i think has been missed, or not even considered:.

if that particular meeting is hereby deleted from the schedule, the co and his wife will never ever have to participate in or go to another "book study", or "bible study" night again.

Saltheart Foamfollower

If everyone is supposed to be having a family worship night on the Thursday, the CO can't have meetings with elders etc that night. Maybe they'll say that the CO should sit in on a family worship night. That'll make it even harder to get families willing to have them stay.

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The Watchtower - getting the science wrong for 100 years (at least)

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

did anyone else spot this on the back page of the feb study watchtower (just finished it today).

there is a proud display of clips from the photo drama and they have selected one showing a "gigantosaurus - 160ft long- the largest animal known".

from what i've researched, no such dinosaur existed (though in 1914 they may have thought otherwise) most people know that the blue whale is the largest animal that has ever existed, so the question is; why did they choose this clip?

Saltheart Foamfollower

Did anyone else spot this on the back page of the Feb study watchtower (just finished it today). There is a proud display of clips from the photo drama and they have selected one showing a "Gigantosaurus - 160ft long- the largest animal known". From what I've researched, no such dinosaur existed (though in 1914 they may have thought otherwise) Most people know that the blue whale is the largest animal that has ever existed, so the question is; Why did they choose this clip? Is someone on the inside trying to find incriminating pictures? Is it just unlucky incompetence? Unless it is deliberate, showing it displays a pretty poor knowledge of science (as if that's a surprise to any of us)

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Letter to BOE: Adjustment in process for appointing elders and ministerial servants

by pixel in

hello, you read it here first!.

governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

to all congregations.

Saltheart Foamfollower

Just a couple of quick points - does this mean that current elders & mss wont be viewed as appointed? If so, will the next visit involve a review of every current appointment (and if not, why not based on this letter) Anyone here around in the early 70s when the elder arrangement came in - were all existing appointees reevaluated then?

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Miami Has New Young Partakers

by James Jackson in

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snapper creek (miami, fl) congregation, had 2 pioneers (female), partake at the memorial for the first time.

one is 20 years old, the other 23.. the gt delayed again!!

!.

Saltheart Foamfollower

There is a cong in the north east of England which now has 4 partakers - had none 5 years ago.

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Oh come on!!! seriously?? This weeks wt study!

by stuckinarut2 in

i'm sitting here at the mtg, and i can't believe the mind numbing stupidity of this weeks wt "study"...( i use the word study loosely too by the way...).

how many dumb repeated questions can be posed to try and make a point?.

the opening paragraph illustration re blindness is classic!

Saltheart Foamfollower

So far I seem to have got away with referring to it as the "generations" teaching.

Anyone else notice that there were supposed to be three reasons why we are near the end, but only two were in the review questions - yes the generations weren't mentioned again evidently (a word which can be used to "prove" almost anything) cos nobody could explain it.

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Anyone been watchtower conductor

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

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i think there is a good chance i'm going to be asked to be the watchtower conductor.

on the one hand, i'll find it quite difficult some weeks having to go along with what is written.

on the other hand, there'll be opportunities to ask controversial questions (within limits).

Saltheart Foamfollower

Wow I feel like I've made it now - Outlaw's posted to my topic

Thanks everyone for your comments. I'm going to re-read them a few times before I decide what to do. I probably wont be asked now.

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I dropped TTATT to some door knockers today

by TheStumbler in

two jws came to my door today and i dropped a few truths bombs on them.

i thought i'd share my account of how the conversation went.. .

i was in the yard doing some weeding when two gentlemen walked through the gate.

Saltheart Foamfollower

That was just fabulous! Well done. I've been on the work and seen brothers tied in knots by evolutionists (I just keep quiet cos it's their door) and then come away and think they've won the argument. Inside I'm laughing at them. Maybe I should ask how they think they did and what else they could have done to prolong the misery.

BTW, am I the only one who keeps glancing at this subject and thinking it says "I dropped some knickers today"?

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Anyone been watchtower conductor

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

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friends

i think there is a good chance i'm going to be asked to be the watchtower conductor.

on the one hand, i'll find it quite difficult some weeks having to go along with what is written.

on the other hand, there'll be opportunities to ask controversial questions (within limits).

Saltheart Foamfollower

Just to put my situation into a little bit more context, I have been mentally out for about 15 years now (used to lurk on newsgroups back in the dial-up days) Searcher - any conscience I had has been well and truly buried. I realised fairly quickly that I was comfortable in living a lie if I could get in some genuine truths/facts every now and then. To do that I need to be an elder. I can't judge how much of an effect, but if no one listens, why are they so worried about individuals reading apostate literature/web sites? My favourite approach is to use the borg against itself. If I was taking tomorrow's watchtower, in the paragraph about the generation, I would ask how you would prove that to someone. Most would look blank and forget it. Some would just repeat what the watchtower says. One or two might go away and do research and realise they cant prove it because it is nonsense.

Oubliette - I really am greatful for your concern and advice. I haven't decided yet, but it will be my decision and not the borgs. BTW, did the brother get couselled for going over time with his talk? It would be just like them to totally miss the point.

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Anyone been watchtower conductor

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

jw
friends

i think there is a good chance i'm going to be asked to be the watchtower conductor.

on the one hand, i'll find it quite difficult some weeks having to go along with what is written.

on the other hand, there'll be opportunities to ask controversial questions (within limits).

Saltheart Foamfollower

Thanks for the advice - I know that making subtle comments doesn't work. In the past I've tried to get some to at least start thinking about what they believe - I once mentioned that the 14th century fit the description of the last days (then went on to disprove it of course) and had at least one brother discuss it with interest afterwards. Although he is still at meetings, he gives evidence that he knows what is really going on. If I do take the job, I would try to gradually educate some to "prove" what they are saying, which then gets them to think. It wont work with many, but if I can help one to escape it would be worth it.

I'm not ready to exit or even fade yet as it would cause too many family problems. One elderly relative seems to have dementia and the upset could prove fatal, so I will wait until the natural course of events happens (that sounds heartless - I am just being vague to protect my identity. I will be devastated when it happens)